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What laptops made in the past 5 years don't suck? I'm 12 years behind on laptop advances because they all sucked for a good long while

Main requirement is battery life, charge, and ability to drive external displays. Need to use it in situations where power is inconsistent

@sir that seems unconstructive. As far as I know, it satisfies your constraints, which is why I suggested it; what's wrong with it, so I might suggest something better?

@tindall I'm just teasing, I had a bad experience with System76 several years ago. It's out of my budget, I don't need much of its performance features so I don't want to pay for them either

@tindall laptops should balance portability with battery life, have a decent keyboard and screen, and then you should SSH into something with a Real CPU and Lots Of RAM to get your Real Work done

@sir I agree in principle! Unfortunately for me, and many people, I have to move around so much that having a desktop not obstructed from me by a firewall is not a given.

In any case, old thinkpads (esp the T430s) are 👌 great

@sir I'd rather not pay more than a few dollars a month for my VPSes

I think this is a problem that will (somewhat) go away when I consistently make more than $0 per month; for now I'm in college and not having to spend a fixed amount each month to do software dev is kind of important

I've considered setting up some kind of Y-shaped VPN (laptop to VPS, desktop to VPS, VPS to nordVPN), but I haven't had the time to make it robust enough to rely on

@sir super fair. To be honest I don't own one at this point; I have a policy of buying old T-series Thinkpads and it's working well so far

@sir I've had this problem too. Bought a Librem 15 last year and while the hardware itself is really sexy it can certainly be quirky (my battery seems to be dying after a whole 8 months, plus the whole librem 1 stuff...) The pinebook stuff you mentioned looks *really* nice, but the shitty non-standardness ARM kinda ruins it :c

@ari @sir Oh man tell me about it. Librem 13v2 here: battery already tanking, first power adapter just spontaneously died. I wish @purism would stop shoving half-finished products out the door.

@sir how much of battery life do you expect?

I used to have HP Probook 4340s, which had battery that lasted about 5 hours on Linux and had both VGA and HDMI. There were only two bad things about that laptop: default HDD (changed to Intel SSD) and wifi/bluetooth card (used to be Ralink, changed to a better one). However, it didn't have a decent CPU, it was Intel Core i3 3rd Gen.

@alexcleac as much as I can get. I'll maximize battery life above all other considerations in this case

@sir oh, forgot to mention, that laptop was designed in 2012 :)

@sir And blob-free too I guess.
Specifically on this one: None, AFAIK unless you could consider the ARMs ones with the reverse-engineered drivers and/or consider that Intel ME / AMD PSP isn’t a blob.

@lanodan though I'm okay with reverse engineered drivers and I can't escape manufacturer rootkits :(

@sir Well, on the Intel ME side there is the more recent Thinkpads, which are still good.
But otherwise it’s stuff like Pinebook Pro and sturdy chromebooks.
@sir @lanodan well, you do. In that case, I think only modern usable laptop would be Asus Chromebook with Rockchip SOC, havn't used it myself, but have heard from some people about it.

@sir I've been carting around an older Lenovo Yoga 510 for a while now, and it's been a champ. I don't use the "fold it backwards into a tablet" thing really, but it does make it into a decent TV in a pinch. I've used it for theatrical productions, running sound and video cues and it's never let me down.

I have it dual booting Ubuntu and Win10 and everything works in both, battery life is excellent. Dunno for sure about the current models, but this one is great.

@jalcine hm, looks decent. What's the FOSS situation?

@sir I get about ~5 hours when fully charged. It came with Windows, threw Kubuntu on there and everything worked out of the box sans screen rotation (which I don't use but found a tool for it)

@sir
step 1. purchase panasonic toughbook
step 2. remove extra hardware features, remove ultrabay, etc
step 3. pack 18650 cells into empty space in casing
step 4. throw on a cheap BMS
step 5. ??????
step 6. lorge

@sir honestly I am still using a t60.

If I were to do a modern, non libre machine, I would do a Ryzen machine (good bang for buck, easy drivers) and make sure I have an nvme drive.

@the_gayest_doggo I still love my two X200's but the power issue is ruling them out

@sir with the ultrabay battery and a 3 cell my t60 gets a good 6 hours of continuous use.

I personally am enjoying using my t60 for running about and going to events and a desktop at home that has processing ability. nextcloud takes care of syncing files and contacts and emails and whatnot between them automatically.

@sir i'm actually very happy with my librem 13 gen 1. gen 2 has a better trackpad but no ethernet port... not perfect but they are easy to open up and upgrade and they come with coreboot and linux stock.

system76 comes up a lot, but i've been told that the build quality isn't great. could be outdated information tho.

@xj9 what's the battery life like? Do you have a kill-a-watt by chance?

@sir the keyboard is nice. idk how big the battery is off the top of my head, but i can get a good 4h of dev work out of it.

@sir @xj9 13v2 here. Get maybe 5 hours. I wish the battery was hot-swappable. No kill-a-watt but might look into nabbing one.

@xj9 @sir did you know the Pinebook Pro is about to come out at $200? Looks nice to me.

@hector @xj9 only if I can use it with a mainline kernel, though

@sir I'm not aware of any that don't, but I typically don't even look at the ones costing more than $500-$600.

@lnxw48a1 @sir Even when looking at the more expensive ones, it's a problem.

The only one that seems to be decent seems to be the Huawei MateBook X Pro. And I believe that one only exists to help them break into the US market (given the fact that you can only buy it in a handful of regions).

I just spent a ridiculous amount of money on a high end Lenovo T490 and while it's OK, I'd have expected more. Such as a touchpad that works properly.

@lnxw48a1 @sir I typically look at used business laptops (ThinkPad, Latitude, etc.) for anything under $600. New latops in that price range will almost always have inferior build quality and screen, among other things.

@sir @puresick depends, obviously, but I'm mostly happy with my ThinkPad T480. I would have loved to get the smaller X280, but the removed all the thing I cared about/(Ports, mostly)

@sir
I love my xps, with the 13 running something like sway I got 14-16 hrs coding with light internet. That's SD display, the higher red with touch uses more.

@sir

current lazy setup is just ubuntu with gnome, a few shell extensions. Not battery tuning done by me as yet and using about 6.5w idle - 9w while running FF now. This is driving a monitor over thunderbolt as well.

I remember with arch and i3 plus a bit of powertop recommended tuning I was getting about 4w idle.

@sir

Just after posting this I checked again and it's back sitting at 6.55w

@sir ThinkPad, particularly the T series, is usually a reliable choice.

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