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I think the integrated desktop contingent of Wayland needs to figure out that we don't like dbus and you're not going to change our mind

@sir do they even need us to change our mind? They can just ignore us, and point to wayland-wall. They don't owe us anything, nor do they need us.

Or am I missing something?

@sir well, OK, KDE needs us to push for server-side decoration.

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