For anyone who doesn't understand why the Tusky change is wrong:
It may not be against the letter of free/open source software*, but it is certainly in the spirit. FOSS does not discriminate against its users and remain FOSS, including the users you don't like. The freedom to use the software as you wish is unalienable, including for gab users.
* both definitions
That, and don't add rickrolls to your project for any reason.
if free software is supportive of nazis then I don't want free software
@ben then you don't want free software.
@sir is free software defined as software that the creator has no control over what code they compile and publish because nazis want to control it instead?
@ben yes. The first freedom is the freedom to run the software as you choose. If you do not have this freedom, you do not have free software. If you add to your license "and you can't use this if you're a nazi", then the software is not free software. The Tusky change isn't that but it's certainly in the spirit of it
@sir are you saying that people who support genocide are unable to stop supporting genocide and we need to cater to them?
@ben you needn't *cater* to them but you cannot explicitly reject them
@sir you are getting very strangely angry at someone who said "I don't support people who like genocide", as if supporting genocide is something someone can never stop doing
@ben if you say "I don't support people who like genocide" and kick me in the knee, I can be angry at you. I'm not angry at you because you don't support genocide. In fact, I'm not angry at you at all.
@sir why are you angry at people who say "I don't support people who like genocide" and then kick people who like genocide in the knee?
@ben it was an analogy and you're taking it literally to avoid discussing the actual matter at hand. If you're just trying to waste my time because you think my opinions render my time less valuable or even worth wasting, then I don't appreciate it
@sir the actual matter at hand is literally that someone said they don't like people who support genocide and you said that they're not allowed to say that because of freedom
@ben I'm not going to rehash this with you again. The problem is that saying "people who support genocide cannot use this software" makes your software nonfree. If you have anything else to say on this line of discussion, keep it to yourself.
We came to Mastodon because it was advertised as "No Nazis" That's why we're fucking here. And we'll keep trying to uphold that for as long as we can, and with whatever tools we find, and in this case, all core team of Tusky agreed that this was what we wanted, because we wanted to uphold that political stance.
We don't want no fucking nazis, and if you defend them you're part of the problem. If you don't realize why it's a problem you got some reading to do
@ben @sir @Tusky
And just because Eugen removed "No nazis" from joinmastodon and the rest of the branding stuff, doesn't mean we as a community have stopped thinking or feeling that.
You really really need to read up on about why we have to be intolerant of the intolerant, even while we preach tolerance in all other regards, and how that's not it's own kind of fascism, nor indicative of not defending free speech.
@maloki @ben @sir @Tusky That's not why I came to Mastodon. Mastodon is a politically neutral concept, which has been vastly adopted by leftists. I don't have a problem with that. But see this from my point of view: fascists call me leftist and communist, and leftists call me fascist and a Nazi, so I feel just as much threat from either. Therefore, I want the technology to be politically neutral, so I am safe.
But like what are you even basing that Mastodon was politically neutral on? Is this just your wishful thinking?
You do realize that leftists aren't looking to kill people who don't think like them, while far-right tend to want the rest of us dead, right?
If you feel that it's threatening that people call you a nazi, maybe you don't know what a real threat is?
@maloki @ZacharyHerold @ben @sir @Tusky Far left exists as much as far right. If you are going to go to as far as nazis killing ppl, then you will encounter leftists killing ppl. The fact that one side was more prominently in control in one time doesn't change the fact that far-left can kill as much as far-right.
@ben I don't see any line of reasoning in your points, just spewing "you like nazis" to try to invalidate @sir. Free software is about freedom. Blatantly blocking people you don't like or even people who say objectively false and evil things still isn't freedom.
@kyle so you're saying that the nazis have more of a right to freedom than the people developing the software?
@ben If you choose not to discriminate, that's your choice as a developer to create fair software. No one is forcing Tusky not to do this but it's a bad move. That's a bad comparison
@ben @firstname.lastname@example.org Free software doesn't have preferences; it is non-exclusive. You are twisting the words.
@sir you're concern trolling
@the_gayest_doggo if you don't think my take is genuine then you know where the block button is, I'm not interested in defending the spirit of my post against defamation
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