In light of the Overwatch 2 trailer I'd like to remind you that Blizzard is a dog of the Chinese "executes and harvests organs from political prisoners" government
in light of the [game you are excited about] trailer, I'd like to remind you that [Developer/Publisher] is a slave of the American "puts children in concentration camps and kidnaps and tortures and murders people around the world" goverment
@SeanAloysiusOBrien don't be an ignorant prick
I mean which countries has China invaded and killed nearly a million people in lately?
I think it's ignorant to pretend that (conveniently) Official US Enemies have uniquely evil governments
@SeanAloysiusOBrien I never said China had a uniquely evil government. Drop the whataboutisms and don't put words in my mouth
criticizing the actions of your own government: meaningful and can have an impact on actual political decisions in a positive way
criticizing the actions of Official US Enemy Governments where you don't live: does not affect people who live there or make decisions there but does provide moral capital for your government to do horrible things to them
@SeanAloysiusOBrien I'm not going to apologise for not criticisng the despots of your choice at a time which is convenient to you. Fuck off.
hope those US State Department boots taste good
@sir where do Chinese organs go, anyway?
@kline into the bodies of the Chinese upper class?
@sir I was just curious if it was like, taken for state research, sold internationally by the state for profit, used for domestic surgery, etc
@kline the average wait time for organ transplants in China is on the order of days and weeks, in the rest of the world it's years.
@kline same sources show evidence that prisoner executions are timed for convenience to the organ "donation" recipent
@sir I'm not pro-execution, pro-China, or pro-political-crime, but if you're going to arbitrarily execute people then the least that can be done is recycle them.
@kline the implication here is that the demand for organ transplants motivates the execution of political prisoners. Note that political prisoners have not committed anything we would consider to be crimes in the west, it's more people who are inconvenient to the Chinese communist party, religious and ethnic minorities, etc.
@sir oh yeah, I was wanting to be clear that I don't think how China deals with political dissidents is right, fair, or even reasonable.
But for many disappeared into that system, indefinite detention and execution is on the cards anyway, sadly.
@kline rather than get into the minute details, just treat the sum of these points and others unsaid as justification for condemning Blizzard and other companies who bend the knee to the Chinese government, which was the point of the original post.
@sir I don't have much interest in that whole thing either way, but I do think people should know more about things like China's systematic disappearances even in the modern day, the Uyghur detention camps, etc.
Chinapol, human rights
@kline I agree. In this instance, though, my perspective is less about China in particular and more about a particularly egregious example of the death of ethics in the service of profits. The point is: how can we expect a company to exercise moral sensibilities when it's not very important, like GPL violations because $$$; when we can also show them doing things like supporting these Chinese policies by proxy becasue $$$. The whole system is completely fucked two ways to Wednesday. I use this as a condemnation of modern capitalism, basically as Godwin's law except not an exagerrated metaphor. Chinese politics is a problem in its own right, though, I agree entirely.
Chinapol, human rights
@sir I'm not sure it's even contained to just "ethics and profits".
I was having a chat with someone lately about China as the next superpower, and I'd argue that they're already there. My friend believed that they couldn't be as their military is so underdeveloped and unsophisticated, but you only have to point at the massive cultural and economic power they wield instead.
We're never going to fight a war with China, but if you consider "power" as being able to influence the course of events and/or impose a will on another (thanks Clausewitz), then China can already do that. Why would they bother to need an army for that in the West?
Their military never needs to match up with ours, it just needs to be enough to enforce the nine-dash line against local powers, which they can pretty much do now.
Chinapol, human rights
@sir I guess what I failed to say here was "look how culturally influential the US has been as a superpower and how they have been the people to set the norms all over the world. Now it's China's turn, and they have a very different set of norms to us."
China has a lot of influence and investment in developing economies, and even if the West can hold firm against China exporting it's norms and values to us (which we can see is happening already), it all goes to bits when Africa flourishes on Chinese foundations.
@sir interesting to read the replies to this where people are saying things like "other bad things exist and therefore we are not allowed to call this thing bad"
@ben it's a natural human defense mechanism. "I like this game, and I can't possibly like things which have troubling moral implications, therefore the troubling moral implications are false"
@sir every game story I enjoyed recently has extremely troubling moral implications
undertale's premise is a child trying to climb a mountain alone for some unknown reason, and the first prompt in the game is "name the fallen child"
@ben that's a different kind, I think
@sir people have gotten very mad at me for claiming that guild wars 2 has more than one transgender character in it
I saw someone threatening to quit over Gorrik's note on Jormag here: https://s3.amazonaws.com/guildwars2.com_uploads/livingworldmagazine/icebroodsaga_magazine_EN/5-6/index.html
personally I love this stuff, but there are definitely people who are terrified that video games might be media and therefore have politics associated with them
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