@sir What’s a good alternative to ProtonMail? Multi-device, zero configuration end-to-end encryption that my mother could use? (Legitimately curious, not trolling)
@jish there is no such service, not even Protonmail qualifies for that
@sir I wasn’t making a fanciful feature request list. Those are the features that ProtonMail currently has. And I believe that’s why people use it. 🤔 Easy encryption.
@jish Protonmail is gaslighting you. They don't have end to end encryption. They can read all of your emails.
@sir oh, do you think they keep copies of the keys around? Do you have a source? (Again, legitimately curious, not trolling)
@jish protonmail does the encryption, not the sender, on their mail server. This is not end to end encryption. They could secretly store a copy of the plaintext and you'd never know.
@sir @allie @jish protonmail claim that “All emails are secured automatically with end-to-end encryption. This means even we cannot decrypt and read your emails. As a result, your encrypted emails cannot be shared with third parties.”
Are you saying that this isn’t true? That they only use gpg for specific mails but they store plaintext emails in their servers?
@cfenollosa @allie @jish correct, this is not true. This statement is a lie, used to gaslight users into thinking that Protonmail provides privacy guarantees that it does not. They claim that they don't store plaintext mails, but they have no cryptographic guarantee that they are not storing plaintext emails. Privacy is built on math, not trust.
Thanks for the explanation.
At first sight it seems that they indeed do in browser encryption, in fact, they don't support standard IMAP as apparently the mbox is encrypted.
What kind of audit did you do and how did you discover that they're lying and they're not using e2e? That is a serious statement, I was considering switching to Protonmail but now I guess I have to do more research.
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