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Fuck the mainland government, actual Nazis of our generation. White power groups are fucking small-time. I stand with Hong Kong. Tell your own government so if you feel the same way. Not CW'd because it's your responsibility to know about and act on this problem.

@sir Aside from voicing our discontent, how can we "fight back" against China? China makes most things we buy and has their tendrils in a significant amount of media/game companies.
In Australia, China owns a bunch of farms, utility companies, has huge influence in Universities and with politicians.

@Holot @sir By making it a point of strategic importance to unroll these dependencies: For example, ask your politicians to invest in manufacturing capabilities in your own country (or bloc) for independence, if you're entrepreneurial, start your own business in that space or if you make such decisions in a company, look for alternatives instead of going China by default "because they're cheap".

To adapt the not-quite-right aphorism about internet companies: if you're not paying enough, you might be the product.

@patrick @sir OK, so clothes, food and stuff are normally things you can buy without giving China money (though like I said, in Australia more and more of that is being bought out by China). But I do wonder about tech. I don't know if it's currently possible to buy computer hardware that doesn't have anything made in China.

@Holot @sir and that's something that needs to change. Not everything at once, but the rest of the world, for the most part, doesn't even pick any single component that is more economical to build in China and send halfway around the world and look at fixing the situation. That would be one part less to worry around. Rinse, repeat until done.

@patrick @sir
I guess the big thing is just showing people why they should care so that companies and governments have incentives to change.
Because convincing CPU manufacturers to move their fabs seems like a VERY steep hill to climb.

@Holot @sir Then don't start with CPUs (there are enough fabs outside China anyway) but with everything around it, e.g. an assembly line. Those are surprisingly hard to setup and most of the knowledge is in China.

@patrick I didn't mean that we should start with CPUs, I was just using it as an example of something that would be really hard to move (though after I posted that I looked into how many are actually in China ,and like you said, there aren't actually that many at this time).
There are some small companies like System76 that are putting together their own computers in America (System76 has their Thelio line), so that's a start for sure.

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