the ad-supported web was an amazing outlet for me in my early teens before I started earning. btw here no bank account for me until 18 either. @sir's ideal no-ad CC pay-as-you-go web would've barred me from the only independent information channel.
praise email spam
the unwanted newsletter culture was an amazing way for me to spread the word about my product before I started earning. The ideal no-spam only-the-emails-you-want system would have barred me from the only independent information channel, email
@sir strawmanning is out of vogue for some while now.
the email spam I receive is subscription traffic only. self-hosting social media is still prohibitively expensive for me. I regard it as a relatively small price to pay for space on someone else's internet site.
@mexesoj446 I'm not strawmanning. I'm using an obviously wrong argument with the same justification that you're using to demonstrate the flaw in your reasoning. Your argument is that the ends justifies the means, and no, your shitty teenage blog does not justify the use of ads
@sir yes you are and what you called "a foult" in my reasoning is a product of your imagination, you did not even say what it is, a very bad faith move on your part. but you already see me as a sub human because of my age, not too surprised
@mexesoj446 @sir Out of curiosity are you donating to the mastodon dev team and your instances admin? Because I'm not and I still get to have this nice space thanks to the support of others.
Crowdfunding and a general freemium model can work for the web. It's what we have for the fediverse and many other projects.
mastodon et al exist as an alternative to ad-sustained mainstream social media. if e.g. twitter demanded membership fees from the start, mastodon would be following suit. Bank cards are tracking too just like ads, but more insidious, since me being too young can't get one without approval of legal guardian.
@mexesoj446 Evidently "I got mine you get yours" attitude is strong there; I saw him championing the micropayment business model for the Web not so long ago. @sir was ogling the free-to-browse ad-ridden Web once it was there, now effectively he wants to deny Zoomers doing the same in spirit of "it might as well turn to ashes after I leave for all I care".
@curlybryce advertising is not good. It is brain hacking. No one deserves to be manipulated into spending money feeding the capitalist machine.
@sir @curlybryce Capitalism predates consumerism so it's safe to say you're feeding that regardless. In their defense, ads entice resource hoarders to part with their money so the younger generation can get work. Granted, it's an enormously inefficient system (perhaps only rivaled by the US military as an arguably even more inefficient welfare system). There seems no other way for the kids not born into wealth to pull themselves up by the bootstraps short of actually taxing the money itself.
@Niquarl And you can find cool groups around the world here ;-)
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