@sir I'd rather have some advertising. Tracking is what should be abolished in my opinion. Advertising is good, what has been done with it is not.

@curlybryce advertising is not good. It is brain hacking. No one deserves to be manipulated into spending money feeding the capitalist machine.

@sir @curlybryce I remember being evaluated for release from psych care and they asked "Do you believe in mind control?" which I paused and responded "No, besides advertising" which made the guy also pause and agree with a laugh

@sir @curlybryce how can one promote a good thing to a vide range of community? For example a new FOS Software? Advertising is the only way I believe.

@avndp @curlybryce pull advertising, not push. Post it in places where users go to find out about new things. Appropriate subreddits, hacker news, lobsters, and so on. Use word of mouth, let people *pull* the information. Don't *push* it into people's faces when they didn't ask for it.

@avndp @curlybryce in my case I just announce things on my blog and infrequently cross-post to HN and let word of mouth do the rest, and I seem to have pretty successful projects

@sir @curlybryce I agree with your point to not dump crap at people. However, I feel that cross posting to XYZ also or word of mouth also amounts to advertising, isn't it?

@avndp @curlybryce aye, but no one is ever talking about it when they talk about advertising.

@sir @curlybryce then advertising is good, but not dumping crap and tracking!?

@avndp @curlybryce there is ONE very specific acceptable form of advertising. There are dozens of forms which are not.

@sir @avndp @curlybryce I.e. genuinely building & participating in real communities then communicating with fellow members = all good.

Subverting genuine community building, supporting them only for the purpose of exploitation, then interjecting messages where they don't belong = no good.

@sir @curlybryce Capitalism predates consumerism so it's safe to say you're feeding that regardless. In their defense, ads entice resource hoarders to part with their money so the younger generation can get work. Granted, it's an enormously inefficient system (perhaps only rivaled by the US military as an arguably even more inefficient welfare system). There seems no other way for the kids not born into wealth to pull themselves up by the bootstraps short of actually taxing the money itself.

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