Humans are not fundamentally evil, or fundamentally good. Humans are *easily manipulated*. And we set up a system where evil is rewarded and good is punished, and those who reap the rewards of that system are well positioned to manipulate humanity into serving their warped desires.
@sir couldn’t have said any better
@sir “We” didn’t set up the system, so much as wecouldn’t stop the evil humans from doing it. “We” being our ancestors, back quite a few generations.
But you’re totally right.
@sir @cy Humans are easily manipulated precisely because they’re evil. It doesn’t take much to “manipulate” someone into doing stuff he’d do anyway. As a corollary, no amount of gentle nudging will make people benevolent. Charity, justice and personal responsibility have stood as the corner stones of our self-critical society for a long time now. Yet inevitably I’ve discovered people, especially mothers, refuse to hear of the concept if they can’t be the arbiters of it, or if it comes from people they think less of. On the other hand, proposals such as “get the Earth rid of extra people” were usually met with skepticism at them being possible to accomplish, rather than outrage.
https://stonerwithaboner.wordpress.com/2017/04/18/you-cant-hustle-an-honest-man/ (the page embeds a Youtube video)
@login2me @sir Uh… huh. I kind of drifted off when they said “he can’t just say men and women?” But I did watch the actual video, and he is not convinced men should be punished, and feels it’d be entirely unjustified if kids weren’t punished by the system, for having single mothers. So maybe… a pinkie finger for personal responsibility? I do agree he’s completely ignoring the lack of agency caused by sexual arousal. His stuff on liberalism is spot on, though.
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