@sir Do you have a good site that details the differences between the AGPL and GPL? Admittedly your description of the AGPL seems to line up with what I thought the GPL was.

@sir Thanks for that. Noticed I was an idiot and did not see this part from your blog "including users accessing it over the network such as with their web browser or via an API or internet protocol". Makes sense.

@sir What Google describes as the GNU AGPL sounds awfully similar to MongoDB's Server Side Public License. That one really does require users to publish the source code of all software used to provide a service along with MongoDB (the open source version) and license it under the SSPL.

zdnet.com/article/mongodb-open

@sir
Wait, you actually care about startups not getting fucked by google? I thought startups were bad...

@wolf480pl @sir startups aren't bad. Today's startup culture is.

@sir why I would choose agpl over mit or bsd?

@sir Your interpretation of what is and is not a "derivative work" might not be what the lawyers or the authors of AGPL think. Check out, for instance, how CLISP got licensed under GPL (not even AGPL): en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLISP#Hi.

@sir
Copyleft doesn't even stop for-profit companies from profiting from OSS developers' unpaid labor. It just makes them give _something_ back to the community, and they can't fathom the thought.

@sir I didn't read the whole conversation but please talk to @fsfstatus , @conservancy or @sflc to confirm if this is really the right interpretation of #AGPL. For one, copyleft.org/ also serves as a guide.

@sir I think Google is fine not using AGPL. Google is huge target for law suites because it is a huge company with lots of money.

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from Google's blog about AGPL:

The license places restrictions on software used over a network which are extremely difficult for Google to comply with. Using AGPL software requires that anything it links to must also be licensed under the AGPL. Even if you think you aren’t linking to anything important, it still presents a huge risk to Google because of how integrated much of our code is. The risks heavily outweigh the benefits.

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