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The fact that Mozilla published a statement in support of Google in the US v Google antitrust case should confirm for any remaining skeptics that my complete lack of faith in Mozilla is on-point.

· brutaldon · 14 · 46 · 57

I've been waving my arms and shouting about the sinking ship of Mozilla since 2016, and honestly, there were signs much earlier.

@sir@cmpwn.com their statement honestly just reads to me like "wait but we were going to copy their strategy, what are we going to do now"

@sir@cmpwn.com their entire strategic change has clearly been from a standpoint of their higher ups not recognizing that their failure to hold market share has been in significant part due to google's monopolization of, frankly, the web as a whole

plus, y'know, there's also the bit about "but google is our entire funding model"

@sir Some of their Servo work really seemed to be a breath of fresh air. But yes, they seem to have recovered from that. 😞

@vandys Servo was cool until all of their engineers collectively decided to go mess around in the dumpster bins (WebVR) rather than do the actual work (making a browser engine) for... like, 3 years

@vandys @sir didn’t they also just sack the entire servo team? Or did they manage to survive?

@net @sir Yes, they got sacked. I hadn't heard that their focus had moved on to VR type stuff, which might explain this. One Mozilla person told me that there are still some Servo maintainers embedded in the browser team itself.

@sir I lost my faith around the Firefox 4 transition tbh
@colonelj @sir because despite everything most of the alternatives are worse

@allison @sir @colonelj Well put! To expand on this:

Any browser that can handle popular websites either is Firefox, Chrome, or Safari or little more than an alternative UI upon one of them. Or if you're on Linux BSD and want to video conference Firefox or Chrome.

There are a handful of true alternatives (I'm building one!), but you're going to have to keep a more mainstream browser around for when you're expected to visit a page that relies on their complexity!

@alcinnz @sir @colonelj Indeed, you can't just keep around (say) lynx or netsurf and expect things to Just Work unless you have the most pared down workflows. By the way, if you don't mind me asking, which foss browser are you involved with?

@allison @sir @colonelj rhapsode.adrian.geek.nz/

"Rhapsode"'s an auditory browser engine that reads webpages out to you (using tone of voice & occasional sound effects to communicate semantics) & listens for you to repeat back labels to follow any link on that page. It's coming together quite quickly for a solo effort!

Built upon eSpeak NG & (TODO) CMU Sphinx.

@allison @sir @colonelj Relatedly just today I've ended up a gathering a list of these alternatives:

* NetSurf
* Dillo
* Weasyprint (outputs images or PDF)
* Rhapsode (my own, auditory input/output)
* Arguably Pandoc

Commandline browsers like:
* Lynx
* w3m
* eww
* links & elinks

@alcinnz @allison @sir @colonelj Nah, if your want video conferencing it's Mozilla Chrome or Google Chrome.

Apart from gstreamer with apparently managed to do it but has yet to be merged in WebKit's trunk, the only usable WebRTC implementation (libwebrtc) is from what I tend to call a shared sources repo from Google (a git repo with one branch, no tags, no …).

@lanodan @allison @sir @colonelj Oh yeah! That's right! There's really only one implementation of WebRTC: libwebrtc.

It's also what Safari uses on the Mac.

Hard to call WebRTC a standard!

@alcinnz @allison @sir @colonelj Well there actually used to be another implementation (OpenWebRTC IIRC) but it died years ago.

@sir not being sarcastic, it is just a markup language, for real

@sir I mean, I'm just clowning, I don't mean to be abrassive or a anything, but still, I'm like why does the web browser have to be the most advanced application? It's like you're not even using your computer, just this VM in the browser.

@sir damn, i drank like 4 beers and now i am leading the revolt against the computer empire

@sir the browser area is so f%#&@ at this moment I don't even see an alternative. Maybe qutebrowser.

@sir There is not a single word in Mozilla's statement that supports Google. They recognize the underlying problem that led to US v Google as legitimate and only ask that whatever solutions this case leads to don't end up harming Mozilla.

TBH this only makes your waving arms and shouting about Mozilla and Rust seem more irrational than on-point.

Disclaimer: I've been using Mozilla since M12 and Firefox since it was called Phoenix. So I might be a bit biased, too.

@sir I hope Google gets Standard-Oil’ed into 20 different companies and Mozilla goes out of business.

@sir What's the statement you're talking about?
@sir nothing to do with google paying them to make their engine the default

@sir The biggest problem is Mozillas dependency on Google.Mozilla needs Googles money,otherwise Mozilla couldn't continue to exist.This is really dangerous in my opinion not only because Mozilla has to protect Google but also because that can prevent Mozilla from fighting better for a free internet and online privacy as these decisions could make Google angry and result in Mozilla not getting money anymore.It would be really important that Mozilla gets independent funding,maybe things could get better then.

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